Post by AlwaysInjured14 on Oct 4, 2017 19:50:31 GMT -5
I just heard that New Albany had a red card last night in the Canal game. NA played a man down most of the game (? Confirmation?) and yet still had quite a few chances and CW keeper made some great saves. But - 11 v 10 and keeping it 0-0 sounds like great NA play.
If anyone has details on why the red was given, please let us know.
Darby players and it's coach displayed the worst sportsmanship I have witnessed all season. Coach and one of his players got a yellow card. Ref completely lost control of the game. Just lucky someone did not get injured. Many parents commented that the AD should have stepped in to calm things down. Darby played football. Liberty played good, solid soccer and notched its 4th shut out in a row. 2-0 Liberty.
Post by Spectator8 on Oct 11, 2017 14:51:52 GMT -5
Soccer Mom posted this about the Darby/Bradley game. "the refs were awful. I think there were 9 or 10 fouls per team -- and there probably should have been 15 or 20 per team called that were not. It was very very physical - with the bulk of the physicality being won by Darby."
I am curious to know what others consider a "physical" game of soccer with legal contact vs' a violent game of soccer involving blatant tackling, swinging at players, pushing down with the intent to injure. A game that resulted in 9-10 called fouls and 15-20 probable fouls to me is not good soccer, just uncontrolled and sanctioned violence by the adult coaches, refs and athletic directors in charge of monitoring our youth players. And were the refs truly awful or just not able to keep up with the blatant aggression from the players? Sounds like a frenzy to me. I am all for a good, physical game of soccer. But the types of fouls committed at some of the games I have seen is not physical soccer it is flat out aggression towards another player that has nothing at all to do with soccer. As parents, we are responsible for raising our children to be respectful, players who strive to be skillful in their sport while at the same time demonstrating good sportsmanship toward their opponents. We as parents should expect the adults in charge to insure the safety of our children playing a recreational high school sport. Is it soccer we want to see or blood sport from our girls? I for one want to see my daughter play the beautiful game of soccer using her "soccer skills" not her fists or her anger.
Post by ohiosoccer1 on Oct 11, 2017 20:08:00 GMT -5
High school sports can be emotionally intense, especially when the pressure of winning a league title is on the line (not sure if that is the case with Darby/Bradley or not but speaking more generally). Add in a cross-town rivalry and things heat up more. Players see a lot of social "worth" for lack of a better term in their teams' results. For many, their identity and self-confidence is closely linked with their team and their own individual play while in season. You can see how frustration might build up more quickly on a big night, with everything going on before and around the game - parents questioning coaching decisions, coaches emphasizing results in the search of titles, senior nights, peers and boyfriends watching, etc. Suddenly one player makes an early physical challenge and the fireworks begin. Doesn't help that parents and coaches have a culture of screaming at referees without any semblance of what would be "normal" respect - how often do you see someone yell at a co-worker or a stranger on the sidewalk with as much vigor and hostility as you consistently see at soccer matches (and football, and basketball, and any other sport)? Players feed off that energy. It quickly gets out of control - and that has become the norm.
Now I agree that the quality of refereeing is not good - but it is what it is, and we need to make the best of it. I am certain that 99% of refs take their role seriously, aim to call unbiased matches, and don't want things to get out of hand. But there are concerns on many levels. First - there is a lack of referees across the board. In central ohio, many of the refs who are both qualified and interested in reffing high school matches are older in age and likely have no interest in "climbing up the reffing ladder" so to speak. Some are former coaches or players, many are not, and while they all have studied the rules thoroughly, it can be hard in the heat of the moment to make 100% of calls correctly with only a split second to do so. Refs who are more knowledgeable and wish to hone their craft will climb the ranks through club where they can make more money and be in less hostile environments. Watch a state cup or MRL game - while not officiated perfectly, the refs are more fit, have better match rapport with coaches and players, and you will generally see a higher quality of play with less interruption in flow from refs, and less hostility from the sidelines.
I don't know the perfect solution but I have a few ideas - 1) the culture of instant and outspoken hostility against referees has to change. Parents should keep their mouths shut unless they are cheering positively for their own team, regardless of calls, and trust in the coach to intervene with refs when needed. 2) Coaches have a duty to remind players and parents that missed calls are part of the game and that variance always evens out in the long run. If we are hurt by a bad call today, we will likely benefit from a bad call next game. The best thing you can do in game is not dedicate any energy to worrying about missed calls, or what your opponent is saying about your momma, but just to focus on your own game. Players who are surrounded by people who preach that message will play more calmly and it will be less about "getting revenge". 3) Admins and/or US Soccer should find ways to bolster the reffing experience at the HS level. If demand is higher than supply, as it is now - increase their pay. Find ways to work with USSF to conduct referee assessments and training during high school matches instead of purely club. I am not super knowledgeable here and maybe it does happen but I have not heard of it ever being done within the context of an OHSAA sanctioned HS match.
If we can enhance the experience for referees we will find more young people interested in becoming one and both our supply and quality issues will be eased (but never entirely). We can do that instantly on a micro-scale by changing the way we treat them within the teams we are involved with. Sorry for the rant, just my 2 cents. And I hope you don't take it as me attacking you spectator8, only playing devil's advocate and creating some conversation .
Post by ohiosoccer1 on Oct 11, 2017 20:21:01 GMT -5
Parents and players at an ECNL match (or any high level club match) are way more experienced, know the rules of the game better, and understand "soccer culture". They probably (edit: almost certainly) have more experienced and knowledgeable coaches than your average high school team, and have a better relationship with said coach, who is definitely preaching to play the game without regard for things you can't control. Plus better refs too.
Post by Birdofprey on Oct 11, 2017 22:01:17 GMT -5
Very good post ohiosoccer1. The crowd almost always becomes an element in a high school match that spirals downhill. It only takes a couple belligerent parents who only watch soccer when their kids are on the field to infect a game. It usually starts with a run of the mill foul where a mom or dad belts out "come on" before the referee gets the whistle up to stop play. The good refs might even take a peek to see if advantage should be given. By then, 4 other parents are bellering, "Are you kidding me?". Contact on a 50/50 ball is almost a certainty. A 50/50 ball sometimes involves a 50/50 call. My advise to players is don't play into pressure to invite the challenge. It's hard to blame the referee for bad passing and receiving but that is too often the result.
The other thing is setting in a stadium is much different than being on field leave. Spectators looking down on the field have at least 2 advantages over field level. There's no obstruction to see the contact and field of view is greater.
The bottom line is parents should let the coach deal with the referees and not throw fuel on a situation that is heating up. Screaming at the officials is not going to help.
Lastly, I think referee should show more yellow cards than they do. Cautions are meant to cool things down. It's not a bad thing. Parents usually go crazy when their child is singled out. Just relax and enjoy the game. Screaming at the referee is not going to help your side one bit.
Great responses ohiosoccer1! . I did not mean to criticize refs in my post. I think being a ref is a tough and thankless job and the majority of the refs at our games have been excellent this season. I agree with you birdofprey that if more cautions are given at the beginning of the game before things get heated up, the rest of the game seems to be played more calmly. Overall, I have seen very well behaved and respectful parents at our games. I think I may be in the minority seeing parents more behaved at our HS games that at our club games. My children have played many sports. Soccer for some reason brings out the worst and seems to generate a high level of nervous energy in parents. But we love the sport and love watching our girls play. Nothing better than a great game of soccer. I really appreciate your responses and food for thought!